Forum:Ragnabot 2 Heat I

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Round 1

Gemini vs King B Remix

Gemini	King B Remix
Votes for Gemini	Votes for King B Remix Is a 2016 spec King Buxton better than a Series 4 Tornado?Unfortunately, it's debatable, but it can still defeat Gemini in the same way. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Unfortunately for Gemini, which could beat basically every other robot here bar one, King B Remix is extremely slippery, and there's nowhere for Gemini to get a grip with its very small flipping panels. King B Remix losing the cutting disc of Powerworks was a bad move in my idea, but that random concave will actually be more beneficial here, as Gemini simply won't get a decent purchase for flipping. Remix's new drilling spikes will be more effective at piercing Gemini's weak armour, and some slams will win the day. ToastUltimatum 00:05, December 21, 2016 (UTC) King B Remix is similar to the Series 4 Tornado but is faster, heavier, and competing in arguably a less friendly arena. The wall spikes are gone, so it can't be immobilised in quite the same way, but I'm thinking at least one twin will end up immobilised anyway. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Good grief this is a weak half of a heat. King B Remix certainly has similarities to Tornado Series 4, and if anything King B will have it easier due to being bigger, faster, stronger etc as already mentioned. Raz3r(talk) 02:21, December 21, 2016 (UTC) King B will be fast, will be nippy and has the front fork spikes/drills that will puncture the tires of Gemini and possibly cause damage to the armour in the process.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:19, December 21, 2016 (UTC) A four wheeled invertible robot with spikes and high pushing power. Where does that sound familiar? CrashBash (talk) 08:08, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Question: Does Gemini have the wheely bars? If so, easy victory for King B Remix. If not, I can still see King B Remix winning this, as not only was Gemini subject to slams by rambots like Tornado, but King B Remix's weapons, drills at the front of its lifters, should certainly be able to penetrate through the twins' armour. A knockout should occur as a result. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Gemini doesn't have the capability to get King B Remix out of the Arena, which is it's only hope of victory. King Buxton has an easy run against a robot that isn't particularly stable on its wheels. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:47, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Is this Gemini with the hweelie bars? Definite win for King B if so. Spikes can got to town on exposed tyres no matters which version. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:41, December 21, 2016 (UTC) King B might be the old codger in this one, but his forks are still potent enough to ram and jab through the wheels of the Gemini twins. Additionally, he has the pushing power to smash each twin into the walls and the invertibility to survive their flips. Gemini to lose via the judges, having one or both halves pitted, or becoming immobilised by the forks/wheelie bars. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: King B Remix (0-10)

The Black Beast vs Thunderpants

The Black Beast	Thunderpants
Votes for The Black Beast Why did we approve Thunderpants again? Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) I'm pleased thUnderpants could award its free pass to someone fun. That is literally all thUnderpants is - a free pass. And yes, the team do capitalise their robot this way, as if the joke wasn't obvious enough. ToastUltimatum 00:05, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) To be fair to The Black Beast, Twister was one of the worst possible Dutch opposition it could face. Raz3r(talk) 02:23, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Meh.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:21, December 21, 2016 (UTC) This is the one problem with trying to "work" with Thunderpants...having never seen it in action, it's near impossible for me to really get a grasp on how its hammer worked, how fast it was...it's pretty much a blank slate, which makes it near impossible for me to judge. CrashBash (talk) 08:10, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Well to be fair Thunderpants did face off against King B Powerworks, M2 and Pressure in the qualifiers, which are three robots I prefer NOT to face until the actual series begins. I think this could be close, with Thunderpants' hammer causing some of The Black Beast's cosmetics to break free, but eventually I believe that The Black Beast should flip over its opponent. Can Thunderpants self-right? I am unsure, but I think The Black Beast should be aggressive enough to win anyway. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Whether thUnderpants moves or not, Black Beast can easily flip and win. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:42, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I am assuming that Thunderpants’ drive belts will be fully intact from the start, so no concerns about a default loss for me here. While it’s impossible to judge how effective its hammer was considering it was never seen in battle, the brief summary available on Thunderpants’ qualifier suggests that it was still vulnerable to having its wheels damaged by King B. So, The Black Beast may as well end up lifting and flipping Thunderpants over and over until it manages to dislodge one or more of the drive belts. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Thunderpants
Winner: The Black Beast (9-0)

Herbinator vs Snake Bite (Swiss)

Herbinator	Snake Bite (Swiss)
Votes for Herbinator I'm pretty sure Snake Bite couldn't right itself even come Series 7, and it didn't seem that quick across the arena. Someone's gotta make the vote that goes against the others or whatever Toast usually calls it. CrashBash (talk) 08:12, December 21, 2016 (UTC) A contrarian vote, I would call that. Despite that, I'm pleased Herbinator is picking up some support, because as I said before, there'll definitely be a timeline where both robots could win this. ToastUltimatum 14:49, December 21, 2016 (UTC) If both robots attack head-on, Snake Bite should win the encounter, but somehow I do not believe that will happen. Instead, I will go for the surprise and say that Snake Bite is actually rather slow and has long sides, perfect for the agile Herbinator to exploit. If Snake Bite does get flipped, it cannot self-right, so as long as Herbinator can use its greater speed to get around the sides, it should win without problems. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite was only able to attack the Turtle because they beached themselves off the floor right beneath the weapon. Herbinator was unlucky to be side stranded and its flipper looked powerful from what little we saw. I'm fairly comfortable that Herbinator would win. Razer v Spawn Again this ain't. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:55, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite has no wings or any other appendages that allow it to self-right from any position, and its not exactly Razer in terms of manoeuverability either. I'm giving Herbinator a chance to prove itself by saying that it'll throw Snake Bite over in one flip. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Snake Bite (Swiss) Snake Bite showed that it could deal with sub-par robots, and those side pipes on Herbie look great to either be ripped off, or just used as a gripping point. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) There'll definitely be an alternate timeline where Herbinator comes out on top with a good flip, but I don't think they'd be able to do anything about Snake Bite's lower front wedge. There'll be a crush, and Snake Bite will capitalise, winning the decision on all three categories. ToastUltimatum 00:05, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Maybe Herbinator could get the flip in, but it does look likely that the Snake Bite can get through the weak armour or grapple with those side bars. Pitting, probably. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Head-ons will always be won by Snake Bite, and I don't see a killer flip here. Some damage for sure, but nothing killer unless there is a pitting like against Terror Turtle, but that's miles away from the button in this arena. Raz3r(talk) 02:26, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Herbinator's another one of those really forgettable robots while Snake Bite I always remembered the Terror Turtle fight and I trust it to crush Herbinator.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:23, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I've always quite liked Herbinator; one of my favourite obscure one time losers! But I can't vote for it here; flipper doesn't quite seem up to getting Snake Bite over, and the crusher seems potent enough to get a good bite. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:44, December 21, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Snake Bite (Swiss) (4-6)

Demolition Man 2 vs Wizard

Demolition Man 2	Wizard
Votes for Demolition Man 2 You're a Wizard Harry, and a thumping good dead one at that. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Wizard is lucky to even be eligible, it is basically just The Witch. I'm glad Demolition Man was given an opponent it can actually hit. ToastUltimatum 00:05, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Comparing the Wizard of Oz to the Wicked Witch of the West, are we? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Urgh, Harry Potter, the most irritating character of Harry Potter. This Wizard to have a lot of damage by the end though. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Inb4 Demolition Man 2 is drawn against King B Remix in round 2. Dumbledore won't enjoy watching this battle. Raz3r(talk) 02:28, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Wizard is as dead as Dobby.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:32, December 21, 2016 (UTC) "You're a zombie, Harry" - Gandalf. Yes, that is a reference to something... CrashBash (talk) 08:13, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Although usually Demolition Man's weapon would be too high up to actually hit many opponents, Wizard's pointy hat is tall enough to get hit several times. A knockout will eventually occur in time. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) The meh spinner of Demolition Man can easily trounce the ever meher spinner of Wizard. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:45, December 21, 2016 (UTC) If Team Wizard decides to have a rematch after having their robot’s hat and body destroyed, I don’t think a Time-Turner is going to stop Demolition Man 2 from winning again… and again… and again. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Wizard
Winner: Demolition Man 2 (9-0)

Grim Reaper vs Twister (UK)

Grim Reaper	Twister (UK)
Votes for Grim Reaper Twister were pitted by Clawed Hopper. Say that sentence a few times before you even think of voting for Twister. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Come on now, Clawed Hopper is not that bad, it survived Pussycat. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Survived and being actively beaten are different things. Clawed Hopper was so slow and not designed to push anything into the pit, which is why the statement is valid. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:11, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I love this Grim Reaper, being one of the fastest robots I ever saw on Robot Wars before I saw Sabre Tooth in Series 6. I have to say, I actually think it could win this battle; for starters, Grim Reaper may be fragile, but Twister was no better in that respect, breaking down quite easily in its only battle. Also, Grim Reaper is more than capable of dealing hard knocks that could easily knockout Twister in a similar fashion, so therefore should progress. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I must side here I'm afraid; Grim Reaper seems more sturdy, even if it is more primitive, and will be able to get underneath and push around the unstable Twister. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:46, December 21, 2016 (UTC) After thinking for a while and leaving this one out, I've come to the decision that Grim Reaper, though the wheel fell off, will win by ramming Twister and causing internal damage.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:48, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Twister (UK) This pains me immensely, but Twister was given a win in the qualifiers under the assumption that it will move for longer than a minute. I voted against it there, but I'll vote for consistency across the tournament. At least Twister's death in Series 5 could be called a fluke breakdown, Grim Reaper just blatantly lost a wheel from light contact which Twister is capable of providing. ToastUltimatum 00:23, December 21, 2016 (UTC) If Twister does move, they can cause enough damage just by hitting Grim Reaper for something to come off. I said they'd move in qualifiers and I'll say it again here, so for the second time this tournament I will say the sentence a few times Jimlaad. :P Raz3r(talk) 02:32, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Trust the construction less than the engineering which is what this comes down to. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:57, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Whilst this version of the Grim Reaper is one of my favourites based on appearance, it did lose that wheel quite easily, despite its speed and if I remember, looking like it was winning that battle, and Twister is 20 kilos heavier as well as having a flipper to end the Reaper's run. I'm sure one of those spinning weapons could take off a wheel or cause enough damage to do that too. It's a shame as I can never really liked Twister and saw it as a massive step down from Berserk 2. Seemed to do absolutely everything at once. RelicRaider (talk) 21:06, December 21, 2016 (UTC) To be honest, I would’ve given Grim Reaper the vote for ramming Twister around the arena, if its wheel hadn’t broken off while pushing Big Brother into a CPZ. For that reason, I’m siding with Twister on the basis that none of its components fell off on their own accord, and on the assumption that its breakdown against Clawed Hopper was a one-off. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Twister (UK) (4-5)

Spike (Extreme Warriors) vs Depoppesaurus Rex

Spike (Extreme Warriors)	Depoppesaurus Rex
Votes for Spike (Extreme Warriors) In all fairness Jimlaad, Spike in particular needs that name because there is a second US Spike. This robot's not actually that bad. It's a loanerbot, so its armour is terrible, but Depoppesaurus Rex has nothing to exploit it, nor can I see them flipping Spike over. Its axe, in contrast, actually worked, and allowed the robot to pick up a combat win. If it hits Mary Poppins Rex with the axe, I have no doubt it'll sink straight through, which is going to swing things far in favour of the 211lb Spike. ToastUltimatum I'm with Toast here, Spike's axe was reasonable and should cause damage to Series 3 armour, giving it the judges' nod. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:36, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I do like Depoppesaurus Rex for some reason, but Spike's axe is better than Rex's flipper, and Spike isn't the only one with questionable armour. Spike to win on all criteria on a Judges' Decision. Raz3r(talk) 02:35, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Spike will axe and push DR around.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) I'd be more willing to back Depoppesaurus if its lifter was a little faster and more reliable (apparently Nancy Poppe mentioned it didn't always work when she hit the button). CrashBash (talk) 08:17, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Another very likeable early robot that I have to vote against, Depoppesaurus Rex I think will be spiked by the decent axe of spike, and damaged, probably losing on a judges decision. I don't quite trust the lifter to get a killer flip. RelicRaider (talk) 21:11, December 21, 2016 (UTC) While Depoppesaurus Rex had a decent lifter, it was no Philipper 2 in terms of speed and potency. Spike, on the other hand, has a decent axe to punch holes through the fish and the speed and manoeuvrability to avoid getting toppled over by that agonisingly slow lifter. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Depoppesaurus Rex Why can't we change all these "Extreme Warriors" links to "US" in the names. It's really annoying now. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Spike seems to be an OK loanerbot, and its axe can cause some decent damage to its opponent. However, I have noticed that Spike's axe can on occasion, be pinned to the arena floor. Whilst this probably will not happen in the 2016 Series arena floor, this does show inaccuracy on Spike's behalf, and it did not seem to be well-controlled by its team. Hence, I could see Depoppesaurus Rex causing a surprise by getting underneath the exposed sides of Spike, and toppling it over with its lifter. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:35, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Spike looks OK enough, but I fancy the more experienced and better built Belgian bot to get a killer flip and overturn. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:48, December 21, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Spike (Extreme Warriors) (7-3)

Terror Turtle vs Limpet

Terror Turtle	Limpet
Votes for Terror Turtle Track gone? Jimlaad43(talk) 23:35, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Could The Hatchling win this battle on its own? If it has a cunning plan, perhaps. It won't be necessary, however, and Terror Turtle will finally get its first win. ToastUltimatum 00:23, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Terror Turtle to be way more aggressive and damaging, which isn't something that can usually be said for it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Teenaged? At this stage in life, the Turtle just about is. Not sure about its ninja moves though, but it won't need any to dispose of Limpet here. Actual, meaningful damage to be caused by the Canadian machine, who'd have thought it? Raz3r(talk) 02:37, December 21, 2016 (UTC) The blade of Terror Turtle will sever the track, I really glad to see Terror Turtle win something.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:36, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Can't argue otherwise. Looks like Terror Turtle has finally gotten its free pass. CrashBash (talk) 08:18, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Second win in Ragnabot 2 for Terror Turtle here, as I believe its weapon should knockout a track eventually. Even if it does not, I think its damage output will overwhelm Limpet in general. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Well I think that a Terror Turtle Snake Bite rematch might just be THE rematch of Ragnabot 2. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:58, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Spinner should easily take out the exposed tracks. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:49, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Limpet was pitifully slow, and won't even be able to limp home once Terror Turtle's disc slices its tracks into ribbons. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Limpet
Winner: Terror Turtle (10-0)

Armadrillo vs General Chompsalot 2

Armadrillo	General Chompsalot 2
Votes for Armadrillo	Votes for General Chompsalot 2 This heat has one robot which will cake-walk it and 31 other robots with a chance of being just as surprising as Ruf Ruf Dougal or Inshredable. Armadrillo looks the right size to fit perfectly in the jaws and be dumped out. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 20, 2016 (UTC) Please say Barber-Ous is in this heat, and against robots that have no chance of beating it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) You make it sound as though General Chompsalot 2 is part of the 31, and not the 1? Because it's the best robot here by a country mile, and it sounds as though they'll be headed through safely - I can think of only two 'maybes' to knock it out so far. ToastUltimatum 00:23, December 21, 2016 (UTC) The one is in the second part. Don't worry, it'll be obvious. Jimlaad43(talk) 00:32, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Calling Razer, Eruption or Thor. Raz3r(talk) 02:40, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Pit. Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:34, December 21, 2016 (UTC) ^ Raz3r(talk) 02:40, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Like taking a bite out of a pancake. One big chomp and straight into the pit. --Headbanger14/The Hardcore Kid 06:21, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Easy win here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:39, December 21, 2016 (UTC) It's a low box with poor pushing, perfect for Chompsalot. CrashBash (talk) 08:19, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Armadrillo is perfect for the jaws of General Chompsalot 2 to grab, push around, and eventually into the pit. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:52, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Armadrillo isn't a good enough pusher to overcome Chompsalot. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:50, December 21, 2016 (UTC) Armadrillo proved to be one of the most underwhelming robots from Series 6, and its just about the right size for General Chompsalot to grab and dump it into the pit at the earliest opportunity. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: General Chompsalot 2 (0-10)

Dundee vs Beaverbot

Dundee	Beaverbot
Votes for Dundee Usually, a full-body spinner against a Series 3 machine would be a no-brainer. However, I disagree with the idea that Beaverbot had a good start against Impact, as it did little-to-no damage, and also broke down without much effort required. Indeed, I believe that Dundee was a great Series 3 robot for its time and could grab Beaverbot and slam it across the arena, also causing damage to the fragile armour of the Dutch machine. Eventually, Dundee will knockout its opponent with a slam or pit it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:56, December 22, 2016 (UTC) From what I can understand, Beaverbot managed to tear off its own aerial with its own spinning body. That is NOT a good sign to look for in a combat robot. I like to avoid playing the reliability card, yes, but this is a robot who's weapon, which is constantly spinning, risks ripping off its own aerial. I can't see this ending well, even if it does start the stronger against Dundee. CrashBash (talk) 21:07, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I'd trust a solid looking robot with a decent looking weapon against a robot that broke down by itself and it poorly armoured. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:09, December 22, 2016 (UTC) That shell was pretty lightweight, and the flimsy aerial broke after one hit, which I believe was their downfall. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 21:08, December 22, 2016 (UTC) If Beaverbot switched to 2016 electronics, where exposed aerials are no longer necessary, they might win this. But no only is the aerial likely to fall off, Dundee's teeth are probably capable of biting through Beaverbot's poor armour. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I don’t see much hope in Beaverbot lasting long before Dundee crushes through its shell with its jaws. After a while, the croc will decide that Beaverbot is a Christmas pudding, and flambé it over the Flame Pit. Time to smear some brandy butter over Beaverbot before it goes into the arena, or better still… vodka margarine! VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Thought for a while about this one, but these arguments are pretty good, and Beaverbot did manage little damage on a full-speed impact with Impact, and then tore its own ariel off... Think Dundee will weather the first blow or two and then move in for the kill once Beaverbot commits suicide. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) I trust Dundee to weather a couple of hard hits - it can even sacrifice part of its head if it wants to protect other more vital parts of its body. Nweston8 (talk) 16:36, December 23, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Beaverbot Beaverbot started out well against Impact, and although it broke down soon after, one good hit on Dundee could spell the end for the croc before the beaver goes down. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Dundee has a really unusual design but it won't save it from being hit by a full body spinner.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:55, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Dundee (8-2)

Bash Gordon vs Hoot

Bash Gordon	Hoot
Votes for Bash Gordon Hoot isn't going to damage Bash Gordon, who can retaliate with some aggression at the very least. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Hoot to be toppled.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:56, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Oh hey, it's Pronaxe, except it's champion and you're not. Still, lets be honest here, Hoot pretty much qualifies as a free-pass to anyone who isn't Psychosprout. CrashBash (talk) 21:09, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Really should've seen more of Bash Gordon. It will walk this. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:09, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Neither robot was competitive, but Hoot's weapon did almost no damage at all when it struck its opponents. Whilst Bash Gordon was not well-controlled, I think it could push Hoot around without trouble, eventually into the pit or CPZ, therefore finishing it off. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:05, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Hoot’s flails in the Nickelodeon series were able to reach to the floor, but, unfortunately, were not able to cause damage to Bunny Attack’s fur or last long without falling off. Hoot in Dutch Series 2 lost drive to one side after a few shoves from Pika 3, and I expect a similar outcome when Bash Gordon starts bashing it around. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Hoot was slightly pathetic, not even managing to tear the fur of Bunny Attack at full speed. Bash Gordon, as it's not being shredded, shouldn't have the massive control problems that cost it in the New Blood, and should be able to show off its weapon. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) To be fair, Hoot will actually face an opponent that will probably take damage, here - Bash Gordon is that thin and flimsy. Still, I don't see it finishing Bash Gordon off, and it will eventually come back to haunt it. Nweston8 (talk) 16:36, December 23, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Hoot I don't think Hoot is as much of a free win as it's made out to be, it still moved and had a weapon. In every sense of the word, Bash Gordon eliminated itself in the middle of a battle it had already won in Extreme 2. Pressure was dead, and yet they decided to drive directly over the pit. I don't trust them to launch any meaningful attacks on Hoot, which might even cause some damage to the awful armour of Bash Gordon. Out of Beaverbot and Hoot, I'd like to see the team win with one robot! ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Bash Gordon (8-1)

Zeus (Italy) vs Sabretooth

Zeus (Italy)	Sabretooth
Votes for Zeus (Italy) Zeus is a really underrated machine with a competent flipper. Didn't deal well with spinners but I have little faith in this Sabretooth. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:10, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I'd trust Zeus to get a killer flip on a robot of Sabretooth's build. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:11, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Sabretooth Zeus will be mercilessly shoved around the Arena. Sabretooth won't be flipped I don't think. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I've seen some test footage of Sabretooth self righting and it's pretty quick and effective, so with that onboard I can see Sabretooth sinking its teeth in. Also am I the only one that's noticed that Sabretooth has pretty much become the new "poster child for Robot Wars" I wonder why the producers like it so much considering it was just one of those obsure little machines from the past.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:58, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Well, if it's anything like Black Hole, I'll give it some benefit of the doubt. I'll start trusting the claims that Sabretooth is "top tier", though, only when it wins a battle. CrashBash (talk) 21:10, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Both of Sabretooth's weapons could work here. The drum might cause Black Hole-esque damage, whilst the front should be able to get underneath and side-strand Zeus. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:18, December 22, 2016 (UTC) There's too much negativity surrounding Sabretooth in this section. Sabretooth's drum spins faster than Black Hole's discs, and is heavier, and should comfortably win just as the Germans did before it. How is Zeus going to flip Sabretooth when Team Legion have a superior wedge on one end, and a powerful drum on the other? ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) If its specifications are anything to go by, Sabretooth’s drum should be just as savage as Black Hole’s discs, and capable of tearing and throwing Zeus around as much as it pleases. Zeus is nothing more than a lump of meat (or should I say metal?) against this tiger. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Seeing as Sabre Tooth is known to be able to self-right, this is no contest. Zeus to be shredded. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Sabretooth will tear into Zeus straight away - this shouldn't be too much trouble. Nweston8 (talk) 16:36, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Sabretooth (2-8)

Berserk 2 vs Overkill GTI

Berserk 2	Overkill GTI
Votes for Berserk 2 Berserk will get Overkill in the pit no trouble. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Overkill has a whopping ground clearance and poor armour, it's weapon doesn't even touch the ground! Berzerk can do what ever it wants as it's stronger and has the better weaponry.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:59, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Given that we nearly put Ally Gator into the quarter finals I am surprised with this result. If Ally couldn't tip Berserk 2, then why would we expect any more from Overkill? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:38, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Because Ally Gator has a static scoop whilst Overkill has an active flipping arm. Two of. They're not comparable. Why are you comparing them? CrashBash (talk) 16:18, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Because a wedge still has to get underneath to work, and as had been pointed out, Overkill had a massive ground clearance. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:46, December 23, 2016 (UTC) So did Berserk 2, by virtue of the fact it was made to run the Gauntlet, like nearly all Series 3 robots. I would also point out that Overkill's GC was adjustable. CrashBash (talk) 21:01, December 23, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Overkill GTI Actually, no I do not think it will. Whilst Overkill GTI had a massive ground clearance, it had a great flipper, capable of tossing S.M.I.D.S.Y around easily. Plus, we are talking about the Series 3 Berserk 2 here, which had no srimech. I think Overkill GTI should win here with a good flip as a result. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:56, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Bezerk looks like it could be side-stranded, and Overkill was pretty well controlled before it lost a tyre. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 21:03, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Two robots that really should've done better; the difference is Overkill looks like it can self-right, which we ken Berserk 2 cannae. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:12, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Berserk 2 was easily the strongest in its Series 3 heat in my mind. Yes, the heat that featured HYPNO-DISC of all robots. Which it probably would have beaten were it not for the floor dildo-arena spike! Sorry. Stuck in my head. But that does raise a point, this version of Berserk could not self-right, and looking over Overkill again, I do see its flippers were...well, pretty decent. Also, I think it's faster. I'll go with the upset, unless someone can convince me otherwise. CrashBash (talk) 21:14, December 22, 2016 (UTC) No need to convince me, I would've been the first person to vote for one of Series 4's best flippers if I needed to. This isn't the first time on the wiki where the older version of Berserk has been chosen over the Series 4 version, and it's screwed them over. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) If Hypno-Disc hadn’t pushed Berserk 2 back onto its wheels after it was flipped over by an arena spike, that Heat Final would not have gone to the judges. Overkill GTI may have been overwhelmed by Panic Attack, but it did land some good flips on S.M.I.D.S.Y. with the twin flipping arms, and should be able to throw Berserk 2 over to a position where it can’t recover. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Berserk 2 was so slow, it'll really struggle to get into a position to flip the speedy Overkill. Overkill should be able to get underneath at some point in the battle and get the necessary flip. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Berserk 2 was resolute and a good controller of fights, but it struggled at times against a robot with any hint of pace in Ally Gator, and Overkill GTI's long nose and direct style will see it barging Berserk 2 around the arena. This should be a very comfortable judges' decision. Nweston8 (talk) 16:36, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Overkill GTI (3-8)

Wharthog vs Dominator 2

Wharthog	Dominator 2
Votes for Wharthog	Votes for Dominator 2 Once Dominator breaches Wharthog's ground clearance, the hog is going to be fully tenderised. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC)7 Ha!Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 21:00, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, moving on. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:12, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Calling it...this is Dominator's heat to lose. CrashBash (talk) 21:14, December 22, 2016 (UTC) No contest. However, will we see Dominator 2, King B Remix, Lightning and General Chompsalot 2 face each other in Round 2? We shall see. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:18, December 22, 2016 (UTC) To say that Dominator II is the one among the thirty-two, I can see two robots that could defeat it. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) And who would those be if you don't mind me asking? CrashBash (talk) 22:58, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Lightning is the only robot that gets anywhere near Dominator 2, and it would still win that battle comfortably. No other robot here is in the same class. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:12, December 22, 2016 (UTC) You'll see when they inevitably fight. ToastUltimatum 23:16, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I would've said Sabretooth as the only one that could defeat Dominator 2. If it found a way to beat Firestorm then it could beat Lightning too, and General Chompsalot's tyres would be too exposed for me to vote for it. RelicRaider (talk) 14:02, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Aw, dammit, I missed half of Round 1. Oh well. Anyway, considering how 101 came out from a battle with Dominator 2, I'll hate to see the result of this one. Nweston8 (talk) 03:26, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Wharthog is a mere piglet compared to Dominator 2. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) If this fight took place in the old arena I'd back Dominator 2 to punch straight through and pin Wharthog to the floor. As is, this is a walkover. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Who doesn't love a nice roasted Christmas ham? RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 16:27, December 25, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Dominator 2 (0-10)

Lightning vs Talos

Lightning	Talos
Votes for Lightning That ground clearance looks so inviting. I think Jabber could drive clean underneath Talos without touching it. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) One flip can do.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 21:01, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Lightning looks pretty set to do well here, unless it runs into Dominator 2. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:11, December 22, 2016 (UTC) TBF, Talos wasn't going to beat most others, but Lightning is a particularly bad one for it to encounter. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:13, December 22, 2016 (UTC) That ground clearance....CrashBash (talk) 21:15, December 22, 2016 (UTC) A lovely flip of doom to start off Lightning's campaign. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:18, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Lightning will have an easy time in this heat. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Lightning, please take as long as you need to replicate your pitting on Thor, here. Cheers. Nweston8 (talk) 03:26, December 23, 2016 (UTC) If G.B.H. can do it….VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) Next. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Talos
Winner: Lightning (10-0)

Hellbent vs Impact

Hellbent	Impact
Votes for Hellbent I'd still fancy Hellbent to emerge on top even if its axe is no good, its flipper should be able to rack up some decent aggression points. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:15, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Sorry Jim, those arguments don't sway me. At the end of the day, I don't think Impact's spinning as it is is going to cause anything terminal, whilst Hellbent's constant axing and flipping it going to rack up on aggression. CrashBash (talk) 21:16, December 22, 2016 (UTC) No, I do not think Hellbent is god-like, but I still think it could win here. Impact was better than the three invertible robots Hellbent faced, but it has exposed wheels and areas perfect for Hellbent's axe to cause damage and grab hold and it has a high-ground clearance which Hellbent will exploit. Also, Impact's hammer in my opinion will not trouble Hellbent, and is made of fur, so its opponent can also push it into the flame pit to cause even more damage. Ultimately, a Judges' decision here, but one that Hellbent will dominate. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:18, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I like Impact a lot, and I'd love to see it win, but unfortunately, Jim's argument is flawed. Specifically the part where he says "decent armour". Tell me that again after watching Impact vs Twister. That armour wasn't strong, and part of the robot even has fur on it! It's begging to have an axe through the top of it, and the combination of a high ground clearance and small size will make Impact easy to flip. Don't forget that Hellbent defeated three invertible robots at once in Series 7, I'm not concerned by Impact being invertible, when realistically it can't do anything here. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Impact’s run-in with Twister showed that it was particularly fragile when faced with heavy impact weapons. The exposed tyres are just the first of Hellbent’s targets here. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) I'm liking this side's arguments. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:41, December 23, 2016 (UTC) I didn't see enough speed from Impact for it to really weaponize the spinning motion. What it could push it could beat, but that's about it. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 20:21, December 23, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Impact Hellbent has an OK flipper and an OK axe, but up against an invertible robot with decent armour, they're stuck. The wheels and wheel guards of Hellbent look good to be damaged by the tail, and Impact is the better bot. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Very well reasoned Jim, I almost would've voted the other way before I read this. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:12, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Hellbent (7-2)

Iron-Awe vs Mobot

Iron-Awe	Mobot
Votes for Iron-Awe That armour looks like cardboard, and the team listed it as their weakness. Plus the weapon stopped after it hit Mighty Mouse once; notice that the fragile Thermidor was able to attack it head-on with no fear when it tossed it out. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 21:13, December 22, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Mobot Mobot had a PP3D style weapon before PP3D did. Even though it was "sacrificial", it didn't look too bad, and against the slow and undriveable Iron-Awe, it could actually do some damage. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:42, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Any later Iron-Awe, I would have voted for it. However, this Iron-Awe was uncompetitive, despite its ability to self-right, due to its poor control. I think that Mobot's disc could cause some decent damage, to knockout its unreliable opponent. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:56, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Iron-Awe 2 or Axe-Awe would do so much better. Surprise win by Mobot, can't see it winning another though...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 21:03, December 22, 2016 (UTC) I completely agree. We didn't see enough of Mobot and saw too much of Iron Awe. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:13, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Two very meh robots with pretty weak weapons; difference is we know Iron Awe can break down quite easily (it did so in both its matches), and while we can't say for sure of Mobot, its from an era of better over reliability, so I'd back it too. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:16, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Any other version and Iron Awe has the advantage, but this particular model is just way too unresponsive. CrashBash (talk) 21:16, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Iron-Awe to fall at the stage it always should've in Series 4. I don't think we really needed it in this tournament to begin with. ToastUltimatum 22:35, December 22, 2016 (UTC) Iron-Awe had a semi-decent axe, but it was so cumbersome and unreliable that if I was a judge in Series 4, I would’ve eliminated it from the first round and allowed Mazakari through with Mortis. We didn’t get to see much of Mobot’s blade, but while I don’t expect PP3D-levels of destruction, it should be able to land a few hits that could knock Iron-Awe out cold. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:24, December 23, 2016 (UTC) I love Axe-Awe onwards from the team, but goodness me, this Iron-Awe is one of my least favourite robots fullstop. It's sluggish, intermittent and has an average axe. Mobot will at least move consistently and probably cause some nice gouges. Nweston8 (talk) 16:36, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Mobot (1-9)

Round 2

Dominator 2 vs Spike (Extreme Warriors)

Dominator 2	Spike (Extreme Warriors)
Votes for Dominator 2 Moving on... Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Spike has successfully joined Bang and Rigby in the second round, but sadly it must fall at the same stage. ToastUltimatum 19:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Happy Christmas all! Routine win for Dominator here. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:28, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Dominator 2 is ultimately the better robot in every respect, not just when it comes to the axe. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:33, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Yep.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:16, December 25, 2016 (UTC) One is a three-for-three top eight finisher. The other is a loanerbot. CrashBash (talk) 21:17, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Neither Spike’s tyres nor its armour will last long once Dominator 2 starts striking them. Spike is going to be… well…. spiked, I suppose. VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Heh. --Demon Of Tomorrow 22:42, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Let's see if Dominator 2 faces an eventual challenge in the next round. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Thanks for coming, Spike. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Spike (Extreme Warriors)
Winner: Dominator 2 (10-0)

Snake Bite (Swiss) vs King B Remix

Snake Bite (Swiss)	King B Remix
Votes for Snake Bite (Swiss)	Votes for King B Remix King B is not going to get crushed, so I see them attacking the sides of Snake Bite, scoring the necessary aggression points they need. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Honestly Team B would stand a better chance with King B Powerworks, which could use its thinner spikes to get underneath and flip Snake Bite over. I don't trust Remix to get the killer flip, but they can avoid trouble and drill further into the existing holes in Snake Bite's swiss cheese armour. ToastUltimatum 19:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite isn't on a par with the best crushers that would easily wreck King B, so it can easily pick up and pit. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:29, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite is slow, which ultimately cost it dearly against Tornado, a similar robot to King B Remix. King B Remix meanwhile is fast, and so can use its greater speed to attack the sides, slam its opponent around and eventually into the pit. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:33, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Too fast for the Snake Bite.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:16, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite is so slow to pierce King B Remix will have time to watch the first two acts of Love Actually by the time it's in peril. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:43, December 25, 2016 (UTC) I think I can sum this up in five words - Snake Bite is not Razer. And I know that sounds like a stupid context, but it's the truth. We all think a low flat invertible box would be ideal for a crusher, and for Razer, it would be, but honestly, ONLY Razer would give King B trouble. It's only after watching Razer in battle again and again that I've really realised it was just as much the wedge and control as it was the crusher that won Razer its battles against these fast, nimble opponents to which King B does fit in, and it was just leagues above every other crusher. The next best, Tiberius, wasn't even that close, and I think King B would stand more a chance beating it than the other way around. With that in mind, Snake Bite stands no chance. CrashBash (talk) 21:20, December 25, 2016 (UTC) King B has the speed to dodge Snake Bite’s beak and the forks to poke through the holes in the Swiss machine’s armour. VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Snake Bite is no Razer. King Buxton will ram and pit the crusher easily. --Demon Of Tomorrow 22:43, December 25, 2016 (UTC) This is interesting, because I rate Snake Bite, but it isn't driven consistently well enough to make use of its weapon when it needs to. King B Remix will push and even drag Snake Bite depending on where its lifting spikes meet with Snake Bite's armour. King B Remix will also likely be able to gain traction to reverse away from Snake Bite even when part of its gets caught on the front of Snake Bite because of that wide shape and four wheel drive. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Nothing to add. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: King B Remix (0-11)

Terror Turtle vs Demolition Man 2

Terror Turtle	Demolition Man 2
Votes for Terror Turtle Ah, a rematch from last Ragnabot! It is a close one this, especially now that Terror Turtle has a buddy in The Hatchling. And that is where I think a revenge victory may come into Terror Turtle's hand; you see, The Hatchling is designed to get underneath opponents and beach them, which it might (just might), do here. If it can, Terror Turtle can attack Demolition Man at the sides, causing some notable damage, to the point where a knockout could occur. And that may be likely, considering that Demolition Man was not the most reliable of machines. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:33, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Hmm, my vote disappreared. Anyway, I cannot back Demolition Man here; too unreliable in general. Terror Turtle at least seemed reliable even if ineffective and its disc looked better this year. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:37, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Terror Turtle is fully capable of winning at least one battle and it's weapon is capable of seeing off Demolition Man. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:44, December 25, 2016 (UTC) I can't trust Demolition Demon when it barely moved properly in its only battle. Terror Turtle, for all its issues, had some decent activity....Holy Foxic, Terror Turtle might make a Quarter Final at this rate. CrashBash (talk) 21:21, December 25, 2016 (UTC) While Demolition Man could win this with a blow to the wheels, they have to actually get there first. That means getting past a Minibot that is too small for Demolition Man to hit, and while the front of Terror Turtle would get torn up, that won't be enough to KO. In return, Terror Turtle can just bait a breakdown and annoy using The Hatchling. ToastUltimatum 21:41, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Its wheels may be more vulnerable to getting sliced, but Terror Turtle looked more manoeuvrable and its disc actually proved damaging in its Series 7 specification. Combined with the potential for The Hatchling to constantly ram into Demolition Man 2, this could rack up plenty of damage and aggression points which are essential for the Turtle’s survival. VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) If I could trust Demolition Man 2 to last the fight, then I'd vote for it. Its weapon seems the more potent and can definitely make an impression of Terror Turtle's shell, but the thing is, even though Terror Turtle has that god awful win-loss ratio, it's actually competed in the fights its been in. Sure, it's been outclassed at times, but it worked everytime and didn't have a cheap breakdown. I'll go for Demolition Man 2 to make the visual damage, but the only visual mover by the end will be Terror Turtle. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) I'll go with this. Demolition Man 2 might have the better spinner, but Terror Turtle seems the more reliable, and The Hatchling can ram and irritate. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Demolition Man 2 Two winless spinners, but I think the exposed wheels of the Turtle are the serious weakness that will decide the battle. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) I would love to see Terror Turtle win and even go to the Quarter Finals (though that's pretty impossible) but those wheels are too irresistible.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:15, December 25, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Terror Turtle (8-2)

Hellbent vs Dundee

Hellbent	Dundee
Votes for Hellbent Call that a weapon? This is a weapon. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Dundee is done. ToastUltimatum 19:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC) As if Dundee hasn't had a bad enough night already, after Paxo called Oor Wullie and the Broons (and the Beano) 'naff cartoons' on Christmas University Challenge! Hogwild94 (talk) 19:32, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Dundee was not a bad robot to be honest, and its weapon was decent for its time. Sadly, it has a high ground clearance that Hellbent will exploit with its lifting forks. A topple will occur eventually. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Yep.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, flipper vs no srimech. CrashBash (talk) 21:22, December 25, 2016 (UTC) With Hellbent’s forks, this battle is only going to go one way… VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) As overrated as Hellbent is, at least it'll tip over Dundee. --Demon Of Tomorrow 22:44, December 25, 2016 (UTC) A nice, firm flick will do it. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Hellbent, the worst Doctor Who episode of the last series, but a robot that'll outclass Dundee here. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Dundee
Winner: Hellbent (10-0)

Lightning vs Sabretooth

Lightning	Sabretooth
Votes for Lightning Good battle this, but it all comes down to the srimech we never saw. Lightning will flip Sabretooth over at some point, that's a given, and without proof it works, I cannot side with Sabretooth. Especially as Lightning will boss the rest of the match anyway, so it would be a judges victory if the srimech does work. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) No escape for Sabretooth this time; it is definitely going over here. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:33, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Im with Crash from a previous post - I'll start believeing Sabretooth is the GOAT (Greatest of all time) when it wins a fight. Lightning has great ground clearance that only rear hinged flippers were able to exploit, and I don't see a steep wedge like Sabretooths doing so. As for the drum, Lightnings wedge is so slanted and its body so wide and its surface so smooth that I just don't see an outcome where damage is done or a flip happens. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:42, December 25, 2016 (UTC) I think Lightning can slip under that drum and persistently flip it. Sure Sabre can self right but it can't win the match by getting kicked around a lot. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 22:11, December 25, 2016 (UTC) According to a Facebook comment from the Sabretooth team themselves, Sabretooth’s srimech can only be fired ten times per battle, which is going to be very costly if Lightning can flip it over constantly from the outset. Even if it doesn’t, Lightning was still much faster around the arena than the 2016 Sabretooth, and has the wedge, tenacity and patience to scoop Sabretooth up, push it around, and eventually throw it into the pit a la Thor. Shame if Sabretooth goes out here, though, because it seriously looks the part and its drum proved capable of causing sizeable damage to Eruption, as others have said. VulcansHowl (talk) 09:27, December 26, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Sabretooth I guess now is the time to say that yes, Sabretooth was the other robot capable of defeating Dominator II, but Lightning is the toughest draw it could've had. However, I see a lot of "Sabretooth can't self right, blah blah whinge etc" votes on the horizon, so I'll get in early with a counter. The robot can bleedin' self-right and I wish I saved a link to the Twitter video where it actively self-righted. Lightning could win this if they get Sabretooth down the pit, but if Jarbot's wedge Sabretooth lasts for the full three minutes, it should have edged the battle on damage, as that was the battle plan against Eruption. Get in early and mess everyone up. ToastUltimatum 19:34, December 25, 2016 (UTC) So Sabretooth can self-right, that is now a given. The question though, is whether Sabretooth can now deal enough attacks to outweigh Lightning's flips, which will occur considering the low ground clearance of the Series 7 machine. Ultimately, I pick Sabretooth to win here, but for reasons different from the above. You see, in the Series 7 qualifiers, Lightning had trouble with another robot with a drum, Barber-Ous, of which managed to damage the front of Lightning, as well as the rear spike and cosmetic damage too. Sabretooth's drum is smaller, but by no means less damaging, and it is on a robot that does not have a wheel that can fall off for reasons unknown. In my opinion, this could mean that Lightning will suffer severe damage as a result of Sabretooth's attacks, and judging from its battles, could break down due to unreliability. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:52, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Seen on Facebook that Sabretooth can self right, though not instantly it's as quick as Razer, also after seeing Episode 4 again I noticed that Sabretooth's drum caused some damage to the bottom of Eruptions flipper and to its side plates. I have trust in Sabretooth to beat Lightning.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:12, December 25, 2016 (UTC) WARNING - RANT AHEAD! I'm not going to lie, I don't really want to vote here. I've grown to dislike both of these robots lately, purely because of how over-rated I see them as in the eyes of other people. This is no disrespect to people who do like them, don't get me wrong, but it's hard to see why they're held in THAT high of a regard when their performances say otherwise. How is Lightning able to go toe-to-toe with Firestorm when it just died after only a handle of flips at the hands of Bulldog Breed and Gravity? How is Sabretooth this practically godly robot when it has a 0-3 record? This really does not sit well with me, and as a result I find it hard to take either of them seriously. No matter who I vote for, one of these is going through. That being said, if we're assuming that Sabretooth's srimech is working properly, then I have to give it an edge because of what I mentioned for Lightning. I've never really been able to take its flipper design seriously and it just....died if it took a hard enough impact. Given the sparks Sabretooth threw up before being flipped, I'll trust it enough to land that hard enough impact. Oh, and if you think it's petty that I dislike Lightning and Sabretooth purely because what other people have said about it...you're probably right, but that's how I roll. That's why I don't like 259 after all. It's actually quite sad when you realise there aren't that many robots that I dislike based on their actual appearance in the show. The closest to that is probably Foxic. Also Chomp if you count Battlebots. CrashBash (talk) 21:29, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, I agree with CB here in that both of these robots are overrated, but Lightning was always one that was flat-out worshipped for no real reason. Sabretooth has at least got a multitude of weaponry to deal good damage and it can srimech, as people have said. Lightning also died the minute it got hit hard, and with a fierce drum on Sabretooth, it'll get torn up and will lose due to a breakdown. --Demon Of Tomorrow 22:41, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Seeing as I own the t-shirt worn by Gabe himself (he and the team also signed it) in the 2016 series, it'd be wrong for me not to vote for Sabretooth. Sabretooth to win on damage or via knockout. The Legion to get to the next round. Sam (BAZINGA) 01:35, December 26, 2016 (UTC) With Sabretooth, it falls victim of what was poor camera work in its particular melee. If a wider shot was shown, Sabretooth's tussle with Eruption could be much clearer. Sabretooth caused Eruption problems, scuffing it and making it fight for that eventual killer flip. Also, I think people sometimes underestimate just how high up the robot Lightning's flipper is. Sabretooth's drum can severely scuff up sections of the front of Lightning when it comes on a drive at Sabretooth and make its job of a clean drive and flip even harder; even though I would still vote for Sabretooth even if I feared it would be flipped multiple times. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) I can see a cagey pushing match decided by a rare use of weapons, and Sabretooth's drum is going to do a lot more than Lightning's flipper. Even if Lightning can get Sabretooth that far up the wedge, which is unlikely, Sabretooth has the srimech and can recover quickly. Sabretooth by judges. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Sabretooth (5-8)

Bash Gordon vs Overkill GTI

Bash Gordon	Overkill GTI
Votes for Bash Gordon Overkill will not get under BG, whose axe may actually cause some damage in return, if it hasn't already used the wedge to score a swift pitting. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Close call, and I may well change sides later, but I'm going for the later robot here, as that axe just looks so much more likely to cause meaningful damage than Overkill is to get a good flip it. And even if it does, Bash Gordon can probably self right. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:34, December 25, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Overkill GTI No way. Just LOOK at the picture of Bash Gordon. It has a ground clearance on all sides, Overkill will easily get underneath. Its flippers are a far better weapon than Bash Gordon's axe, and this is without even factoring in Bash Gordon's awful driving. If we think about those driving skills for even a second, Overkill will suddenly have the rest of the voters on its side. ToastUltimatum 19:21, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Bash Gordon did not impress me, with poor control and a high ground clearance to boot. But Overkill GTI did impress me, with its twin flippers capable of tossing opponents with ease. I will back the Series 4 machine here, as I think it could dodge the axe attacks from Bash Gordon and flip the machine over several times. Eventually, a knockout could occur, or Overkill GTI will simply keep flipping to win a Judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) As much I think Overkill is an awful robot, it hasn't got much competition here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:08, December 25, 2016 (UTC) No way that sad axe can get through Overkill's frame. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 22:12, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Overkill GTI has the wedge to exploit Bash Gordon’s stupendously high ground clearance, and the flipping arms to throw it onto its back several times. Did Bash Gordon’s axe ever work as a srimech? VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) It's going to be one of those "Flip and done" scenarios, isn't it? --Demon Of Tomorrow 22:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Overkill GTI is a pacey, competent robot and should dispose of Bash Gordon comfortably enough. It can win this battle through a couple of different methods. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Pronaxe would probably have done better. Stop stealing my ideas, Bash Gordon! (jk) CrashBash (talk) 08:03, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Overkill to get the flip. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Overkills ground clearance at the front is so low that it scraped wood off the Arena floor. Against bash Gordon, whose ground clearance is more gaping than a missing tooth, this battle can only end one way. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:36, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Overkill GTI (2-10)

Twister (UK) vs General Chompsalot 2

Twister (UK)	General Chompsalot 2
Votes for Twister (UK)	Votes for General Chompsalot 2 Surely we can agree that General Chompaslot is far more effective at pitting Twister than Clawed Hopper. I don't want to see Twister suddenly beating Dominator 2 in the heat final, that would make no sense. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Don't worry Jim, Twister's reign of terror is finally over, this will be a unanimous loss. ToastUltimatum 19:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Wow, two robots with very large exposed wheels. Chompsalot has better reliability and pedigree though, so it should be fine here. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:35, December 25, 2016 (UTC) General Chompsalot 2 to dominate Twister, the robot I believe has overachieved in Ragnabot 2. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Yep.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:17, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Chompsalot always has a way of dealing with robots. CrashBash (talk) 21:31, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Twister to be chewed, dragged towards the pit, and spat out by General Chompsalot. VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) woo its fun to use the reliability card here isn't it --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Goodbye, Twister. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Next. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC) Tis a shame and a surprise that Twister progressed further than it's infinitely better predecessor in the same heat. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:38, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: General Chompsalot 2 (0-11)

Mobot vs The Black Beast

Mobot	The Black Beast
Votes for Mobot The Black Beast's flipper was never seen in action, which only makes it feel even more like Sater. I don't think Mobot will cause much damage, but just like Botwork vs Sater, I think TBB's flipping arm will be bent before Mobot's weapon packs in, and there won't be much else to go off. ToastUltimatum 19:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Black Beast's flipper doesn't seem that decent, let alone good enough to flip Mobot, so a win on minor damage. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:36, December 25, 2016 (UTC) If you look at The Black Beast's flipper, it is quite high up anyway, so even if it does work, will it actually be good enough to get underneath and flip Mobot? Well, even if that happens, Mobot is invertible, and the spinner can cause some decent damage and aggression too by using its disc to knock off The Black Beast's cosmetics. Eventually, Mobot shall win by a Judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:45, December 25, 2016 (UTC) The weaker PP3D wins this match quite easily, I hope it faces Terror Turtle just so I can see Terror Turtle win the heat, then again could it beat Mobot?Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:19, December 25, 2016 (UTC) I don't think a side-stranding will work. The shadows seem to suggest Mobot has side-spikes to prevent that. CrashBash (talk) 21:32, December 25, 2016 (UTC) The Black Beast didn’t really fare well against the Dutch Twister, so Mobot has every chance to slam, dent and cause the Beast’s eyes to fall off and bounce everywhere. Eventually, a win via knock-out is secured when The Black Beast suddenly breaks down after a couple of slams. VulcansHowl (talk) 22:26, December 25, 2016 (UTC) Agreed with a lot of the above. Nweston8 (talk) 02:28, December 26, 2016 (UTC) I guess Mobot can cause a little damage and be more aggressive? Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:50, December 26, 2016 (UTC) We never saw either weapon but The Black Beast showed itself to be more unreliable, less well driven and to have less weapon potency. I can't believe a robots lack of exposure is a point in its favour. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:42, December 27, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for The Black Beast TBB's flipper might be just the right power to get Mobot stuck in its side and beaten. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:13, December 25, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Mobot (9-1)

Round 3

Overkill GTI vs Mobot

Overkill GTI	Mobot
Votes for Overkill GTI I would agree normally, but, for once, Overkill's ground clearance will aid it, as Mobot blade will miss the important stuff due to the ground clearance, and is likely not outward enough to get at the tyres, so a win on aggression. Hogwild94 (talk) 23:12, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Mobot may have damage potential, and yes, damage potential is a big part of fights, but it's not the be all and end all, and especially because, in this instance, I can't see Mobot causing a knockout. Damage here and there, yes, but Overkill GTI has enough speed and aggression - especially in comparison to the cumbersome Mobot - to control the fight for large periods. I can see a judges' decision going Overkill's way due to consistent aggression. Nweston8 (talk) 23:57, December 27, 2016 (UTC) I haven't checked the battle to make sure, but I'm fairly sure a vote earlier in this heat stated that Mobot lost the use of its weapon after its first big contact. If that's true, I think that Overkill can easily survive the single blow necessary. Their wedge is conducive to dodging the brunt of the blade, and will easily expose the high ground clearance of Mobot. Flips should happen too, but I remember Overkill vs 101 quite clearly - GTI doesn't even need its flippers to perform well. Seeing as it's making a surprise appearance in the quarter-finals, I'll share a fun fact - until only this winter, I spelled this robot's name as "Overkill GTi". This is why. ToastUltimatum 01:59, December 28, 2016 (UTC) No more free passes for a robot we barely saw. Overkill had working weapons and looked capable of side stranding the unwieldy Mobot. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 02:21, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Yes, I can confirm that Mobot’s blade did stop spinning after its first hit in its Series 7 melee, after watching it again this morning. I know that this contradicts my earlier optimism about Mobot’s chances in this heat, but I feel it’s going to be far too slow and cumbersome to prevent Overkill’s wedge from scooping it up. Overkill GTI will then ensure that its flipping arms can throw Mobot around the arena as much as it likes, for a commanding win via the judges. VulcansHowl (talk) 08:01, December 28, 2016 (UTC) I gave Mobot the benefit of the doubt against The Black Beast, considering the latter had a flipper that was quite high up. However, Overkill GTI has a much lower ground clearance at the front, and theoretically should be able to get underneath and flip over its opponent. Once that happens, I wonder whether Mobot's blade is low enough to actually hit Overkill GTI now, which I doubt it will, regardless of whether it will work or not. Should I prove correct in my concerns, Overkill GTI will be able to dominate the rest of the battle. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Back after a week of Christmas holidays and it looks like I've missed a fair bit in the arena. To be honest, I think Overkill has it here. I do think they can tip over Mobot onto their side here; their flipper is certainly strong/weak enough to do so. Raz3r(talk) 11:56, December 28, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Mobot If in doubt, spinner vs Series 4 armour is likely to be the decider. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:52, December 27, 2016 (UTC) That logic works for me, and with Mobot being invertible, that takes Overkill's best chance of winning away. CrashBash (talk) 23:10, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Overkill GTI will really struggle against invertible 'bots and Mobot is one of them. Also helps that Mobot has more damage potential. --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:45, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Can we please get rid off Overkill now? As the above comments say an invertible spinner, similar to PP3D will be able to get under that whopping ground clearance and take out a wheel an damage the fragile armour. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:14, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sorry, but at this rate, you may have to wait until the quarter-finals. May I ask, what do you have against Overkill GTI? Yes, it may have a problematic ground clearance at the sides, but its ground clearance at the front was so low, it damaged the arena floor at one point. Also, I think you should re-watch its Heat O melee; first, it flipped S.M.I.D.S.Y. twice with ease, it had good traction and finally it was unfortunate that it had to face the Cyberspace machine and the fourth seeds, of which both double-teamed it for the most part. Had it been placed in Heat K, it may have been an entirely different story for Overkill GTI. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Overkill GTI (7-4)

General Chompsalot 2 vs Sabretooth

General Chompsalot 2	Sabretooth
Votes for General Chompsalot 2 Will the drum cause damage? Yes. Will Chompsie grabbing and pitting Sabretooth be more decisive? Yes. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:52, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Any other robot, except Dominator 2 of course, I'd happily give Sabretooth at least SOME benefit of the doubt, despite my distaste for it. But against Chompsalot I'm not too sure. On the one hand, it managed to survive several blows from Manta. On the other hand, it was OHKOed by Destructive Criticism. Sabretooth has a much more powerful weapon than either of these robots...but I still can't trust it to be good all things considering. I wouldn't put it past it to win, but given how Chompsalot just rolls with its battles, I wouldn't be surprised if it just clamped and pitted. CrashBash (talk) 23:12, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, don't see Sabretooth escaping this time. Not from the jaws or the pit. Hogwild94 (talk) 23:13, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Chompsalot faced a spinner very similar to Sabretooth and that was Manta and it held up pretty well to the fish's sting. I've yet to see much out of Sabretooth yet but so far I don't see it causing too damage to the big mouth. Chompsalot should take a big bite of its own and rip the teeth out of the sabretooth. --Headbanger14/The Hardcore Kid 01:11, December 28, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Sabretooth Time to go contrarian on this. General Chompsalot may be able to grab Sabretooth, but the drum is going to deal a hell of a lot more damage than the jaws. It also doesn't help that General Chompsalot hated taking hard knocks. It pretty much died in one hit from Destructive Criticism, and I believe that Sabretooth's drum is going to do a similar KO. Even without the drum, Sabretooth looks better equipped to push, with the front shovel giving it an edge over General Chompsalot's jaws and 2-wheel drivetrain. Am I overrating Sabretooth? Possibly, but I can't trust General Chompsalot's reliability when it comes to the current weaponry in the field. --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:40, December 27, 2016 (UTC) General Chompsalot has a lot of exposed parts and I can't see it pitting or controlling the fight so easily or without sustaining considerable damage. Sabretooth to win via KO. Nweston8 (talk) 23:58, December 27, 2016 (UTC) With a robot that's almost 50% wheels against a 4000 rpm heavy spinning drum, I'll side with the Drum. If Chompsalot was OHKO'd by Destructive Criticism then there's no way it's surviving this. Chompsalot can't grab ahold of that dum whilst it's spinning, so I can't see a way it can really win this. And I'm pretty sure that front scoop is low enough to scoop up Chompsalot and shove it into the pit if the Drum, for some reason, doesn't work. RelicRaider (talk) 00:21, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sabretooth to almost have the drum caught in the jaws of GC2, causing the breakdown of GC2 by hitting the jaws every time the US machine tries to grab it. Team Legion for the win. Sam (BAZINGA) 00:54, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Headbanger compared Sabretooth to Manta to justify its win. I, however, compare to Pussycat. Chompsalot started that battle well, as it probably will here, but eventually the spinner caused the necessary damage to win the decision. Sabretooth probably has the better front ground clearance, so Chompsalot will need to go near the drum in order to get a bite, just like the Pussycat fight, which was proven to be too dangerous. We can all understand how GC2 would lose to Tornado, but Chompsalot put up a truly awful fight there when Tornado put their scoop on, so Sabretooth could use their claw to take that kind of approach for an alternative way of winning. But this also has to be said: let it be remembered that Destructive Criticism felled General Chompsalot 2 in a single hit. I see many more advantages for Sabretooth than I do for the General, even though this is one of my favourite US robots. ToastUltimatum 01:59, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Tooth name vs Tooth weapon. I really really disagree that Sabretooth defeated Lightning but that won't stop me from supporting it here. If that drum is as good as it is meant to be then I don't see what Chompsie can do. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 02:20, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sabretooth’s wedge should prise General Chompsalot’s jaws off the floor; its drum should be more than capable of KO-ing it, given how Chompsalot died against Destructive Criticism. Any chance Sabretooth could rip one of Chompsalot’s wheels off, too? Based on its statistics alone, it should do. VulcansHowl (talk) 08:01, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sorry, but I cannot compare Sabretooth to Manta, both robots were built for different tatics. Sabretooth's drum, being at 4000RPM in my opinion is just too powerful for an unreliable robot like General Chompsalot 2, of which also has heat magnets in those exposed wheels. Should Sabretooth use the wedge instead, it will easily get underneath the high ground clearance of General Chompsalot 2, and eventually pit it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sabretooth's drum was working pretty well when it fought, even if we didn't see much of it. If that connects, it should cause significant damage, particularly if it comes in contact with the wheels. Sabretooth's wedge will also ward off GC2's attacks well, so I see this being a bit of a walkover to be honest. Raz3r(talk) 12:01, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Sabretooth (4-9)

Terror Turtle vs King B Remix

Terror Turtle	King B Remix
Votes for Terror Turtle	Votes for King B Remix Both parts of the Turtle are going to be deposited in the pit. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:52, December 27, 2016 (UTC) King B does well in a tournament and I couldn't be happier. I suppose in a way, it's Japan vs Canada. CrashBash (talk) 23:13, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, good old King B! Terror Turtle's spinner may be good, but I just don't think it good enough to cause meaningful damage, so lets give the old boy a good run! Hogwild94 (talk) 23:14, December 27, 2016 (UTC) "We picked fibreglass because it's strong" Top KECE M8 --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:43, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Terror Turtle should be moved about side-on pretty consistently. The Hatchling shouldn't cause any issues for a robot with wheels so far apart considering how small it is itself either. Nweston8 (talk) 00:03, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Not only have King B Remix made it out of the heat, they did it unanimously. Not even Apollo, Atomic, Chaos 2, Terrorhurtz etc can claim that. ToastUltimatum 01:59, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Shame that Terror Turtle won't go further.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:15, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Neither the turtle nor the hatching will be tough enough to last against King B’s crusade here. Expecting King B Remix to shove Terror Turtle around and into the pit while The Hatchling tries to ram it in vain. VulcansHowl (talk) 08:01, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Bow down to the King! Especially since he is running riot in Ragnabot 2 thus far. He will probably use his greater speed to attack the sides of Terror Turtle, slam and push it a couple of times, before eventually causing enough damage for a knockout. Either that, or a pitting will occur. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Wow, I didn't expect this to be quite so one-sided, but there you go. Pushing from King B will leave Terror Turtle in the dust. King B might not get a KO but it will win the Judges' Decision regardless. Raz3r(talk) 12:05, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: King B Remix (0-10)

Hellbent vs Dominator 2

Hellbent	Dominator 2
Votes for Hellbent Honestly, I'm really conflicted with this one. Dominator 2 seems the standard choice, and it tends to always grind out wins like this, but Hellbent is compact, quick and spins very sharply on the turn. Dominator 2, on the other hand, will always have to back into space to move or it will expose its sides to quick flips from Hellbent, and it will struggle to connect with consistently good axe blows from close range because of how little width Hellbent covers in comparison to how long Dominator 2's axe is. Overall, I'll back Hellbent to expose Dominator 2's weaknesses enough throughout the battle to take this, but it's not a decision I've made easily at all. Nweston8 (talk) 00:13, December 28, 2016 (UTC) I feel guilty for voting here because statistically this should be a cakewalk for Dominator II, but even after all these rewatches of its wins, I just don't see how it's supposed to beat a consistently annoying flipper, which is an extremely hard target to hit. If we draw reference to Hydra vs Dominator II, that could've been a different story if the 2016 3-minute time limit was in place. If Hellbent flips Dominator over, their axe could probably go straight through that baseplate. ToastUltimatum 01:59, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Sorry, but Dominator 2 showed in Series 6 that it was vulnerable to being...ahem... dominated by robots that had an axe/flipper combo. Hellbent, meanwhile, was tenacious in Series 7, and has every possibility of flipping Dominator 2 over several times and punching several holes through that baseplate, as ToastUltimatum pointed out. Dominator 2 might be able to land a few hits that'll damage Hellbent's armour, but damage won't be enough to sway the judges' decision in its favour anymore. Hellbent to pull off an upset and win convincingly on all three criteria. VulcansHowl (talk) 08:01, December 28, 2016 (UTC)	Votes for Dominator 2 If Hellbent wins this, it will just prove how ridiculously overrated it is on this wiki. Dominator 2 will easily puncture the top of Hellbent's armour, whose axe will not do anything in return, and the (maximum of) one flip that Hellbent will luck into won't cause the easily self-rightable Dominator any trouble whatsoever. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:52, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Hell, even the votes prove it's overrated. --Demon Of Tomorrow 16:11, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Given that Dominator 2 could penetrate Bigger Brother, it can easily deal with Hellbent. Hellbent might get off to a promising start ala Hydra if its lucky, but we all know what happened in the end. And by that I mean when they actually fought, not as in the last Ragnabot. CrashBash (talk) 23:14, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Hellbent: decent robot, certainly capable of a decent run, but against this class of opposition, no chance. Hogwild94 (talk) 23:15, December 27, 2016 (UTC) Eh, Dominator had this heat rather easily, to be honest. --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:42, December 27, 2016 (UTC) I do believe that Lightning could best Dominator 2 but with Laurie Calvert out Dominator 2 cruises to a win with no one left in the heat to put up a fight. Hellbent has become a tremendously overrated machine and it's armour looked rather soft to me. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 02:18, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Yeah, can't see much of a problem other than being flipped.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:17, December 28, 2016 (UTC) In my opinion, Hellbent is not bad as such, and its weapon system could work at first against Dominator 2 since the latter struggled against Hydra. The problem however, is that can Hellbent continue to overturn and/or axe its opponent enough in the three minutes given to it? Nah, I do not think it can, since Dominator 2 is a rather tricky design to flip with those lifting forks sufficently enough to prevent it from using its own axe. With the axe now in play, Dominator 2 could cause cosmetic damage to Hellbent, such as removing the skull at the top, and damage to the armour by just whacking it constantly. A Judges' decision which will be close, but Dominator 2 should outrank Hellbent in terms of damage and aggression. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:36, December 28, 2016 (UTC) Hellbent is not Hydra, who did the combo better and still lost to Dominator 2. Hellbent's forks won't flip Dominator 2 over, who will be nimble enough to evade them and puncture the weak-looking armour. Raz3r(talk) 12:07, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
Winner: Dominator 2 (3-8)